New studies on using Ghanaian quinine and Japanese Knotweed to treat Lyme's?

bcabrobin Posts: 251 ✭✭✭
edited October 2020 in General Health

I have chronic Lyme infection and am always looking for new treatments. I have been looking into herbs for the last year and these studies show promise.

This study provides the first convincing evidence that some of the herbs used by patients, such as Cryptolepis, black walnut, sweet wormwood, cat’s claw, and Japanese knotweed, have potent activity against Lyme disease bacteria, especially the dormant persister forms, which are not killed by the current Lyme antibiotics,” says study co-author Prof. Ying Zhang.

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  • Monek Marie
    Monek Marie Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bcabrobin Our ticks have been very bad around here the last few years and the doctors do not treat lymes properly around here so I did research and started using a knotweed tinture. At first I bought it now I make it, knotweed is very invasive around here.

    Knotweed helps build the immune system up.

    I cannot personally say it works but I was bit 5 times last year and did not get lymes, only used the knotweed tinture.

  • bcabrobin
    bcabrobin Posts: 251 ✭✭✭

    @Denise Grant what parts of the Knotweed do you use? I will be doing this, I have had over 65 documented ticks, by a Dr. in the last 20 yrs. Before Lyme's was a thing. But I have removed many more than that!

    20+ yrs ago working at a job site, we were standing in the woods and it sounded like it was raining, it was ticks falling from the trees. They were everywhere!

    I can walk across the driveway in the middle of January and get ticks (and have). I'm a tick magnet!

    We have free range chickens and they help but if I'm fixing fence or working with hay, I'm sure to get 4-5. It's nothing to remove 10+ a year. The Dr wont treat them anymore and I don't want it anyway, so I'm also looking for other ways for treatment. I will be checking this out! Thank you! I'm glad that someone else has tried this.

  • LaurieLovesLearning
    LaurieLovesLearning Posts: 7,206 admin
    edited November 2020

    @bcabrobin @Denise Grant As was mentioned, there are many herbs that can be used. Some are more effective if used right away. K. P. Khalsa mentioned one herb in the last series that I watched. I generally write things like that down...but this time, I missed doing that. :(

    I have watched a few webinars, etc. that were focused on lyme disease.

    Nick Polizzi did a series. They deal with lyme within their family, I believe. Host of Remedy: Ancient Medicine for Modern Illness is the series where they covered lyme. You can reach him through: [email protected]

    I am sure that some of our knowledgable herbalists will be able to weigh in. @torey?

    I will include my notes from one webinar below. The presenter focused on an "old TCM" approach (his words). I found it interesting. He said nobody seems to approach lyme that way.

    I hope my notes make sense.

  • LaurieLovesLearning
    LaurieLovesLearning Posts: 7,206 admin
    edited November 2020

    Brendan Kelly

    All stages are treatable, TCM & herbs

    Heat/inflammation, need to reduce heat

    Lyme disease is the symptom. The root cause lies before, seeks a differential diagnosis

    Treat the 1. individual with the 2. condition

    Yin = cold/coolant, eater/fluids, latency

    Latency...lost coolant, lost relaxation

    Yang = hot/heat, fire, expression/loss of latency

    Bian Hua - to nourish & engender - disease progression theory - a classical Chinese medicine understanding - describes progression of disease & lyme

    4 Stages:

    1. Heat & Inflammation - medical system treats this - initial stage - occurs with initial tick bite

    Signs & symptoms: red skin, fever, joint aches, headaches - if treated effectively here, will stop

    Yang rises up into head & causes headaches

    Try to clear heat with up & out (TCM:release exterior) - antibiotics can't do this, they are too cold - use acupuncture, eastern & western herbs - use dipheretics (cause sweat release through pores, antibiotics push down)

    2. Dryness/yin deficiency; heat cooking off fluids

    Signs & symptoms: increase of symptoms from stage 1, possible night sweats

    3. Phlegm/Excess of Yin (fluids); Response to lack of fluids in stage 2

    Signs & symptoms: Continuation of above symptoms, 'brain fog', cognitive issues, decrease in energy, beginning of digestive issues

    Phlegm associated w/digestive system (TCM: stomach & spleen...cognition/thinking...getting heavy internally, energy can't make it up to the brain (slow, sticky fluids)=brain fog)

    Absolutely treatable

    4. Wind/attempt to remove phlegm

    Signs & symptoms: Neurological symptoms, tremors, switches, dizziness, migraines

    Symptoms move around, come & go

    In TCM, may treat next stage before it develops (preventative)

    TCM: acupuncture, herbal medicine, diet, & lifestyle to treat different stages, all equally important

    Foods can be dry & cooling, warm & moistening, subdue/increase wind

    First stage diet: HEAT

    Food creating the most heat (& damp) = coffee - Cut out coffee

    No Spicy = onions, garlic, ginger, cayenne, nutmeg, turmeric, cinnamon

    These all warm the body...good or bad for us depending on what is happening in the body


    Take green tea (cool & dry)

    Cool & moistening: leafy greens, water

    Yarrow, boneset- it releases well (bitter, cold diapharetic) bitter implies descending - flushes (laxative or diuretic), burdock seed

    Second stage diet: DAMP

    White sugar (this version of the sweet) creates heat & dampness


    Third stage diet:

    Gluten (sticky)

    Fourth stage diet: WIND

    Avoid land birds: Chicken (warming) & turkey (hot) Doctrine of signatures: look at something & understand the nature of it (birds wings are stimulating & move wind) Water birds are okay

    Use heavier meats: beef & pork

    Use non spicy root veg: carrots, turnips, esp. beets (cure for too much wind is moving the blood, beets look like blood)

    Most pharm & natural/herbal treatments focus on stage 1 - most herbs being used are cold - cold treatments (to treat Heat) can create phlegm, which leads to progression - antibiotics cause cooling to digestive system, so it no longer works well

    TCM treats multiple stages simultaneously

    Clay can be good - drying, pulls things out (cool & dry, but not sweat, releasing exterior)

    Andrographis - cold - clears fire toxins (Heat gone bad), goes down

    Recommend topically yarrow (powdered/dry, chewed), + TCM yin quio (chow) san - can do tincture of yarrow, boneset, echinacea, mint (licorice for taste) - want to clear up & out - 2-3 ml 3×/day

    One acupuncture treatment & yarrow on body stops at bullseye stage

    No saunas, hot tubs, getting hot in general

    Any neurological diagnoses is wind, treat gallbladder

    MS/Lyme, both wind


    Foods that create Dampness in the body: fried foods, raw foods, fruits, juices, dairy, iced drinks, and sweets. 

  • Monek Marie
    Monek Marie Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Treating lymes disease with antiboitics like they do in my area, and only for ten days causes the symptoms to hide and return later. Lymes is treatable. Great information!~

  • Torey
    Torey Posts: 5,390 admin

    I have never personally treated someone with Lyme's disease. But I have notes on the subject from other very experienced herbalists.

    Japanese Knotweed does seem to be one of the major herbs recommended for Lyme.

    This is a link to Susun Weed's use of teasel (combined with boneset) to treat LYme's Disease.

    There is a book called "Healing Lyme Disease Naturally" by Wolf D. Storl. Teasel is a recommendation.

    7Song has a resource page on treating Lyme's, with a list of herbs to match to symptoms. A Herbalist's View - Notes on Lyme Disease

    Cat's Claw (Uncaria tomentosa)  is reported to be effective against Lyme's. This is a good article that mentions Cat's Claw as well as some other herbs.

    I have seen arteminsin or Artemesia annua or other Artemisia species listed as possible remedies for Lyme's. Sweet Annie (A. annua) is being used as a treatment for drug resistant malaria (also has a spirochete as an initiating cause), so I would suggest that Sweet Annie might be a good choice for Lyme as well.

    I know a bit about homeopathic remedies that may be given for symptoms of Lyme's (again from notes). Zinc metallicum is a strong remedy for Lyme's. Two homeopathic plant remedies that are recommended are Ledum and Kalmia. Ledum is probably the easiest to come by as it should be available at any health food store that carries homeopathic remedies. But homeopathic remedies are given based on a totality of symptoms so you have to match the remedy with the person. Because of the herbal use of Artemisias, it might be an idea to see if Abrotanum would match the symptomology of the patient. I would try to speak with a homeopath about this. They may have some other options available. I know there is a remedy made from the Borrelia spirochete but it will only be available from a homeopath that has access to one of the major homeopathic pharmacies.

    Hope some of this is helpful and you are able to get some improvement in your symptoms..