DIY Triacontanol Fertilizer
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@silvertipgrizz Very cool link. I will watch the video tonight for evening entertainment.
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@silvertipgrizz I just need to find some organic alfalfa. Too bad GMO alfalfa has become so popular.
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@tomandcara Yeah me too. I found a few places in the small time frame I had to look. Most of them sold it in bulk as to farmers. So...I went to alfalfa sprouts and found more sites. but first I'm going to look through my aged sprout seeds and try them first.
If you didn't read the scientific article I posted just before or after this one..can't remember which on I posted first after a few days pass lol, but it is very interesting info to justify why go through the time to do this...esp if, like me one doesn't have acess to wood ash...as I used to..wish I had known then..........
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@silvertipgrizz I just saw the other posting with the scientific article this morning and will be reading the link later today. The wood ash aspect of the DIY triacontanol concerns me as it is so alkaline and my soil is very alkaline to begin with. Those 2 blueberry plants certainly didn't look too good.
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@silvertipgrizz I think this is a more realistic way of making triacontanol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyWigatuMBo Recipe for a gallon and doesn't use wood ashes, and here is another https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVuz6jsFwXQ even simpler recipe.
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@tomandcara Thanks for posting..going to check both of them out now..
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Funny thing, I was just looking at some alfalfa plants this afternoon and trying to remember what the name of this discussion was as well as triacontanol and here it is!! Thank you @silvertipgrizz for such a timely tweak of my brain!
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@silvertipgrizz do you find these little gems on you tube ? I have a patch of lucerne(alfalfa) in my garden. I threw some sprouting seeds in a bed once and lucerne and daikon radish germinated. So now I harvest it and use as mulch but I am going to make up a brew of Triacontanol as I have all the ingredients. Once again thankyou.
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@jodienancarrow I do lots and lots of research. In that process of finding answers stems many more questions and off on another search I go again.....whether it be a youtube or other vid, or peer reviewed articles, or doctors discussions, or where ever my search takes me. And when I find info I"m looking for I search for other references to compare in order to discern the info as much as poss...
Could you clarify what sprouting seeds you threw in a bed once and lucerne and daikon radish germinated. It looks like you might have meant that in a bed of growing alfalfa, you threw the lucerne and daikon?? so I"m wondering if alfalfa somehow aids in the growth of other plants? Or I'm just dead tired lol..
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I’ve never heard of this but it sure sounds interesting enough. We have a ton of very large cabbage leaves that could be used in place of the alfalfa. I sure wish I could get that much garden growing going (say that fast 3 times lol) in that short amount of time. Logan must’ve researched, remembered, and/or documented all he learned very well to have such success early on!
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@silvertipgrizz I had purchased a couple packets of mixed sprouting seeds ( lucerne, mung bean, broccoli, diakon) and had a dismal result. So one day i just scattered the seeds in an empty raised bed in the veg garden and thats what germinated. So I ate the radish, apparently the radish leaves in a bath are great for UTI! Lucerne is full of nitrogen has a great big tap root and would draw up other minerals also. Its a prolific summer grower and roughly once a month I cut it all back and use it to mulch around other plants. Now we are talking just a small patch 8x4 ' but I could use it for the liquid fertilizer recipe.
Years ago we grew acres of lucerne and made hay for our stock and sold some. I took it for granted that I always had access to it. It would be my preferred mulching source but its now way too expensive, around $25-$30 a bale of roughly 20kgs. I tend to use organic sugar cane mulch for $7 a bale but it has no nitrogen. So I reckon using sugar cane mulch with a liquid lucerne fertilizer might be a win, win.
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@jodienancarrow Here inthe USA much of the lucerne is no genetically modified. Has Australia been able to keep the GMO lucerne out of the country?
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@tomandcara sorry not aware of gmo lucerne, been out of the industry for a while now. It use to grow great without wanting to change it!
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@jodienancarrow Missed a letter in this posting bad grammar to boot and not thoroughly accurate.
So let's try again, Here in the USA GMO alfalfa is gaining popularity. The majority as of 2013 was not GMO. Here is a link to the USDA website showing the percent of GMO lucerne since it was first introduced in 2005-20013. https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2017/may/genetically-modified-alfalfa-production-in-the-united-states/ There are no records available past 2013 so we really don't know what percent of the lucerne is "round up ready" but the chart shows a dramatic increase between 2010 and 2013. A study done in 2011 and 2012 showed the Genetically Engineered lucerne was spreading beyond the fields it was planted in https://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/blog/4207/new-study-finds-genetically-engineered-alfalfa-has-gone-wild-exposing-failure-of-coexistence-policy
The latest product deregulated in 2014 makes round up ready lucerne more "digestible" to cattle by reducing lignins in the plant.
"Presently, genetically modified (GM) Lucerne/Alfalfa is not approved in Australia. In addition, the cultivation of GM food crops is prohibited in the state of South Australia and this regulation will remain in place until at least September 2019." http://www.lucerneaustralia.org.au/pages/lucerne-info/gm-lucerne.php
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@tomandcara very interesting. Back in the day, to clean up a lucerne paddock berfore first cut, you would graze it with stock, then pasture harrow, then spray, either roundup or sprayseed. Looked like everything was demolished but the lucerne crowns always came back. Mind you this was in the day when a certain chemical company said " Roundup, it's so safe you could drink it" Obviously things have changed and my mindset has to. GMO crops do exist over here but people are wary.
I was lead to believe that the spray graze technique was quite by accident. A farmer spraying a cropping paddock, forgot to turn off his spray rig and drove across a grazing paddock with it going. When he put his cattle in a few days later, they grazed out the sprayed strip first. An agronomist was called, tests done and they realised the roundup "sweetened" the growing plants. So this technique became incredibly popular with no till farming. Little did they know what the chemical was doing to the stock as well as the humans eating that meat!
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@jodienancarrow Very interesting about the Roundup on the fields. And the cattle going there first backed up the claim it is so safe....
I think the saddest part is there were scientist both in and out of Monsanto who knew what ttruth really was, but that truth was hidden from the majority of the world. Some of the recent trials have uncovered how long the dangers were known and hidden.
Makes me think of Tylenol and the advertisements I remember from the 70's. I distinctly remember ads saying to take Tylenol before going out drinking to prevent a hangover. The manufactures of Tylenol knew it damaged the liver, but they still ran the ads. I tried to find copies of the ad but couldn't find them. That might mean my distinct memory is wrong or google buried or hid the ads. I trust google less than I trust my memory.
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It was interesting to find out that Roundup is what used to be known as Agent Orange. Remember the Vietnam Veterans who were claiming cancer from being exposed to Agent Orange? Of course the government denied their claims.
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@shllnzl sorry to correct you but Agent Orange and Roundup are completely different herbicides. I think part of the confusion comes from the fact that Monsanto along with a number of other companies made Agent Orange.
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@tomandcara Okay, I believe you. (I think I got that info from a webinar.) Maybe I got it confused with another well known herbicide.
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@shllnzl No worries and you may have heard it on some webinar. I have heard things on webinars that have a bit of confusion between what actually is and what is said. If I remember correctly, there were Agent Orange like herbicides that were sold in this country (USA) before being taken off the market.
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@shllnzl I was out working in the garden earlier today and remembered how in 1991 I was taking an acupuncture certification course and the instructor told us that honeybees ONLY sting acupuncture points. I didn't start beekeeping until 1999, but when I did, I remembered what I had been told years earlier. I actually had told this "fact" to a number of patients and people in the almost 10 years between learning this and becoming a beekeeper. It didn't take long to discover that bees only sting acupuncture points if you consider every spot on your body is an acupuncture point. In the years since then, I will say honeybees will sting you where ever they can.
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@tomandcara I try to be discerning on which "experts" I listen to, but the best of us can be misled at times.
As far as the bees, uneducated me thinks that the bee thinks it is in life or death and it will attack as it can.
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@shllnzl & @tomandcara my last bee sting was just below my eyebrow. I wear glasses and had a baseball cap on! Reckon the bee was going for maximum discomfort! It was, felt like I was hit with a hammer and the next morning unrecognizable, looked like I was talking and should have been listening lol. But I do use that brow point to relieve the odd headache, coincidence!
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@shllnzl I just thought it was incredibly cool that the bees could sense the acupuncture points. There is an electrical resistance difference on active acupuncture points and the surrounding tissues. There is "electrical acupuncture according to Voll" (EAV) and many offshoots of EAV and different machines that that utilize these differences for diagnostic and treatment reasons. I too try to be discriminating about things I read a and hear.
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@tomandcara Bees are very special insects. I am very protective of any bees in my area, BUT my brother almost died from a bee sting to the back of his neck last year. That was the first time he was stung and I have never been stung. So I protect the bees and hope I never find out if I am extremely allergic to them. (On the other hand, I have a sister who has been stung by the poisonous Bark Scorpion three times and did not have a dangerous reaction. I don't know about myself, as red ant bites itch me for quite a while. Sorry, TMI.)
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@jodienancarrow There are several points below the eyebrow used for headaches, allergies and other things. They may not ALWAYS sting acupuncture points but they MAY sting acupuncture points. When I started keeping bees I was stung on the lower lip- not an acupuncture point but in a cold sore. The cold sore almost immediately went away, but then my lip started to swell and swell and swell. y wife told me I looked like Bubba in the movie Forest Gump.
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@shllnzl My guess is your brother had been stung once before and he didn't react much at the time, but his immune system got him "ready" in case it ever happened again. Then when he was stung last year his immune system went into overdrive.
So glad he made it through ok from the sting.
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@shllnzl I have been stung/bitten by the blithering little red fire ants last summer around my veg plants and this spring as they have spread around my yard..they hurt, they swell and they itch.... So with the aloe I have harvested from my plants and placed in the freezer straight off the plant, the cold and the med properties almost instantly stop the stinging and itching. The cabbage leaves are for the swelling.
Where do poison bark scorpions inhabit?
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@tomandcara I noticed once after being stung in a finger that was almost always painful/arthritis, and a couple days after the sting I realized the finger didn't hurt anymore.
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@silvertipgrizz The Arizona Bark Scorpion is the only "poisonous" scorpion in the US. It is, of course, in Arizona and Southern Utah. A few years ago, it was accidentally/permanently deposited in Las Vegas, Nevada, brought in with plants from Arizona.
Most adults do fine with it, but it is a danger to small children and small animals. One of my current neighbors related the story of her grand baby being stung and suddenly foaming at the mouth. They rushed the baby to the hospital for anti-venom which cost $20,000.
I will have to freeze a bunch of my aloe at the end of the season.
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